What is MathMagic?
MathMagic, is a K-12 telecommunications project developed in El Paso, TX
that provides a strong motivator for students to use computer technology
while increasing problem-solving strategies and communications skills. In
a nutshell, MathMagic posts challenges into each of four categories (k-3,
4-6, 7-9 and 10-12) to trigger each registered team to pair up with an-
other team and engage in an exchange of problem-solving dialog. When an
agreement is reached, one solution is posted for every pair.
Has it been done before?
MathMagic has received wide ideological acceptance by hundreds of present
FidoNet users, because it addresses most of the National Council of Teach-
ers of Mathematics standards. It has now expanded into the Internet.
Who can participate?
This project is aimed mainly at the K-12 teachers and students. Higher Ed-
ucation teachers, librarians, technology coordinators, computer teachers
and even home-schoolers are joining to act as facilitators.
What is needed?
Any teacher that has access to electronic mail via the Internet can par-
ticipate. There are several net service providers and most of the commer-
cial boards (America Online, Genie, Compuserve, Delphi, The Well, etc.)
are now offering e-mail gateways and other Internet services. MathMagic is
best suited for schools that are using computers with modems and have di-
rect Internet access. In some areas, a local Bulletin Board System (BBS)
or a Net user (such as a parent with net access) may have to act as a go-
between. Please ask about special arrangements.
Do participants "meet" each other?
Each registered team is expected to work with a NET TEAM PARTNER (NTP) who
may be local, state, national or international. They must discuss solution
strategies and agree on the solution they are going to post. A good mea-
sure of the success of the project rests on the "grass-roots" exchanges,
when teams meet each other and exchange personal/school/city information.
How will the Internet be used?
The postings and some team exchanges will be made via MAJORDOMO a kind of
listserv (automated mailer.) The wonderful folks of the Geometry Forum at
Swarthmore College have made their list server available to MathMagic, and
as a result, registration will be fairly easy. However, most NTP exchanges
are done via e-mail outside the list.
What is the procedure for participating?
There will be two broad categories of participants: REGISTERED and UNREG-
ISTERED. All registered teams will be entitled to full access to all of
THEIR the list's mailings, and will have the ability to "post" to THEIR
list any question, comment or reply at any time. UNREGISTERED teams, on
the other hand, receive all mailings for their list and can read the ex-
changes, but WILL NOT BE ABLE TO POST directly to it. In other words, sub-
scribers can only read; registered users can post messages and engage in
Which are the lists?
Roughly corresponding to U.S. grade equivalency, the lists are:
- (UNREGISTERED) (REGISTERED)
- mathmagic-k-3-open mathmagic-k-3
- mathmagic-4-6-open mathmagic-4-6
- mathmagic-7-9-open mathmagic-7-9
- mathmagic-10-12-open mathmagic-10-12
To become registered, a teacher must first subscribe to the unregistered
list s/he is interested in. A form is automatically mailed to allow for
Can someone subscribe to all lists?
Anyone can subscribe to any/all of the "...-open" lists, but can NOT post
messages until fully registered.
Is gopher or ftp available?
Anyone can gopher or ftp files from forum.swarthmore.edu. Look for spe-
cific instructions below. In addition, educationally-focused groups or
sites may want to take advantage of MathMagic as a newsgroup.
Is there a discussion group of benefit to teachers re/ MathMagic?
One of the most valuable lessons a teacher learns is when s/he can observe
and discuss the student's metacognition. For this purpose, a fifth list,
will also be available to schools of education, assorted profs, teachers,
supervisors and in general to all interested parties wanting to discuss
math learning and the student exchanges observed in these lists. As Math-
Magic itself develops, CONSTRUCTIVE suggestions, observations and criti-
cisms, along with any/all pedagogical discussions that may enlighten stu-
dent/teacher development will be welcomed. K-12 direct student input is
not solicited in this fifth list, although student-teachers may find many
of the topics pertinent.
In an effort to make this list relevant, anyone that subscribes to the
mathmagic-general-open list and answers a short questionnaire will be
granted full access to the list - i.e., will become a registered member
with posting privileges.
Must registered users participate in all the challenges?
Since school calendars and holidays differ the world over, registered par-
ticipants are not expected to address all challenges. A schedule has been
developed, and registered users can participate in up to eight (8) post-
ings within a year before having to register again.
Posting # : 3 : 4 : : 5 : 1
Date posted: 4/25: 5/16: 6/6 : 6/27:
Date due : 5/13: 6/3 : 6/24: 7/15: 9
Posting # : 6 : 7 : 8 : 9 : 9
Date Posted: 7/18: 8/8 : 8/29: 9/19:
Date due : 8/5 : 8/26: 9/16:10/7 : 4
Posting # : 10 : 11 : 12 : 13 :
Date due :10/28:11/18:12/9 : 1/6 :
Posting # : 14 : 15 : 16 : 17 : 1
Date Posted: 1/30: 2/20: 3/13: 4/3 :
Date due : 2/17: 3/10: 3/31: 4/21: 9
Posting # : 18 : 19 : 20 : : 9
Date Posted: 4/24: 5/15: 6/5 : :
Date due : 5/12: 6/2 : 6/23: : 5
What donation is expected for full registration?
Information about the nominal registration fee is forwarded to each person
subscribing for one of the lists. Please note that the registration form
calls for the name of a faculty sponsor, and a team name. Each team's name
will consist of the sponsor's last name (surname), a color, the school/
group mascot, and city/state/country information: Hodson's Gold Wolverines/
El Paso, TX can end up working with Nahim's Blue Tigers/Tel Aviv, IL.
What other "perks" are there for registering?
All registered teams will receive a certificate of participation, and two
handsome "MathMagic Internet Participant" decals. In general, registered
users have more privileges than non registered users. Soon (and certainly
not mandatory,) scanned images or video-clips of the registered sites will
be made available (Macintosh formats most likely), but the greatest incen-
tive is the world-wide posting that the student's responses receive.
How does a person subscribe/unsubscribe to MathMagic?
Anyone wanting to register must begin with a free subscription to one of
the "...-open" lists. Send the following e-mail message:
(No Subject- just the message)
where X-Y is either K-3, 4-6, 7-9, 10-12 or general. To UNSUBSCRIBE (when
a user no longer wants to be part of the Mailing List) send the same mes-
sage as above, but replace "subscribe" with "unsubscribe".
When does an "open" subscription become full registration?
After subscribing to any "-open" list a user will receive an acknowledg-
ment and a REGISTRATION FORM that should be completed and returned to the
address below. The account will remain UNREGISTERED until all aspects of
the form have been received.
When is a "good time" to register?
Most teams try to be ready during the first weeks of the U.S. school year
(first weeks in September) but other overseas teams have different school
calendars. To accommodate differences, and new students/friendships or
changes in a class, the sponsor may change the members of a team, but not
the name of the teams (please choose them carefully.) Since the eight
postings can be done anytime within a year of the registration date, reg-
istration for MathMagic can be done at any time.
Who can answer more questions?
Alan Hodson, middle school math teacher with the El Paso ISD is in charge
of the Internet component of the project. Write to him at:
Carol Hooper, middle school math teacher with Ysleta ISD is in charge of
the FidoNet component. Contact her at:
or Sherri Gassaway, Net Team Coordinator, volunteer at:
What other informational files are available?
One of the distinctive features of MathMagic, is that an effort has been
made to make the whole project available for people who only have e-mail
capabilities. Any of the files/directories accessed via ftp/gopher can
also be accessed via e-mail.
To receive more information on MathMagic and the files available, send
E-MAIL (no "Subject:" needed) to:
Once the automated mailer responds, you can request any of the files by
replacing the /INDEX of the command above with an exact /filename from the
list generated by INDEX (see below).
FTP: Users can also ftp the MathMagic information files thus:
'Foreign Username:' anonymous
'Password:' (your e-mail 'name'@) example: alanh@
'Welcome to the Geometry Forum...'
(whole page deleted)
'FORUM.S...EDU>' cd mathmagic
'FORUM.S...EDU>' dir (lists all directories)
'FORUM.S...EDU>' cd general.information
(or any other directory)
Remember, to retrieve or "download" information to your system you must
type the 'get filename' (exact spelling). To move up one directory type
(at the > prompt) 'cdup'; to log off type 'exit'. (Don't type the ' '
GOPHER access is also available:
(choose) 2. Forum's Archive/
(choose) 7. MathMagic/
(choose) 5. general.information/
(or any directory in that area)
At the end of each read text (or when you press spacebar ) the
footer will prompt to mail it. The user must enter his/her name as given
by the system (example: alanh) - the mailer "knows" the "@..." part.) To
move up a directory type 'u' and to end the gopher exchange type 'q' and
Some of the files that can be requested are:
mathmagic-faq (THIS FILE)
Are previous posts/challenges available?
If you are interested in looking at some of the earlier postings, after
gophering in as indicated above choose:
2. Forum's Archive
8. Monthly Digests
(From here you can choose the /mm-list and /month):
The e-mail equivalent to procure previous posts is:
Send e-mail to (without subject) to:
with the command:
You can replace -(1)- for any of the other lists (mathmagic.4-6; math-
magic.7-9; mathmagic.10-12 or mathmagic-general) and/or replace -(2)- for
any other month February.94; March.94, etc. PLEASE notice the dots in be-
tween the words.
Are user-made "challenge" submissions accepted?
"Adult" involvement is an integral component of this project. Users with
thought-provoking (ideally open-ended) word problems are encouraged to
make their contributions available to MathMagic. The"problem-submissions"
guide can be obtained as outlined above. In addition, each team with more
than four postings is responsible for creating one challenge. This stu-
dent-made challenges will be used later, and will be counted as team cred-
its towards more posting priviliges.
Can MathMagic "make a difference"?
MathMagic Foundation is a non-profit organization for the development and
implementation of innovative methods and technology to encourage young
people to get involved in articulating math problems. To the extent that
teacher-training programs and teachers in the field get involved, master
and incorporate telecommunication opportunities like this project, pro-
grams like MathMagic can contribute significantly towards achieving NCTM
standards and truly "literate" students. MathMagic also attempts to in-
volve concerned professionals in solving some of our students weaknesses
by making "challenge" contributions and engaging in the project's ex-
Caveat Emptor (a personal note)
As worthy an endeavor as MathMagic may seem, both from the theoretical
point of view and as a possible resource, presently it is NOT receiving
any grants or stipends to allow for "extra" time to be dedicated to the
project. Hopefully, and with the help of some of the subscribers, this
will change in the near future (NCTM/NSF where are you?) Please don't ex-
pect IMMEDIATE service - be ready to match your professional commitment to
finding viable alternatives to our concerns with a good dose of patience!
Ironic how we are able to communicate across the world instantly, but are
still slaves of our time pieces!